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  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #360 - December 08, 2010, 03:23 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:20 PM
    No it is not unjustifiable, it is simply a matter of perspective.  I could ask you to explain why you think human life does not begin at the stage I mentioned and what gives you the right to decide when something is human and when it isn't.


    I've said before that I have no interest in definitions of life. I don't care that a fully developed human is any more 'alive' than a zygote or a rock.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #361 - December 08, 2010, 03:23 PM
    Quote from: Nessa on December 08, 2010, 12:45 AM
    im against it cuz to me u concieved it then you should have it....

    plus...ur killing an innocent being...even if it isnt fully a person yet

    when the embryo starts to form is when im against it...the morning after pill id be okay with


    i dont care if others do it cuz it aint like i cant change that or stop them...but for me its something i wouldnt do because i dont support it and dont agree with it Afro


     I respect this position the most out of all in this debate.

    Those who choose to not have an Abortion themselves because they feel it is morally wrong but do not care or condemn what other people do 
     Afro
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #362 - December 08, 2010, 03:25 PM
    Quote from: Q-Man on December 08, 2010, 03:13 PM
    You a vegetarian?



    Nope.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #363 - December 08, 2010, 03:26 PM
    Re: Abortion being murder.

    Murder is a legal term, defined here in the UK as the unlawful killing of another human being in rerum natura - since abortion is legal up to 24 weeks, any abortion up to 24 weeks can't possibly be defined as murder.
    19:46   <zizo>: hugs could pimp u into sex

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    well I am neither ex-Muslim nor absolute 100% Non-Muslim.. I am fucking Zebra

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #364 - December 08, 2010, 03:27 PM
    Quote from: Loki on December 08, 2010, 03:23 PM
    I respect this position the most out of all in this debate.

    Those who choose to not have an Abortion themselves because they feel it is morally wrong but do not care or condemn what other people do  
     Afro



    That's even worse. Cuz she thinks washing eggs down the drain is a heinous murder. Yet she'll stand and watch and do nothing to stop them.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #365 - December 08, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:22 PM
    You mean its potential to become an ape?


    Yes, a specific kind of ape like you and me.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #366 - December 08, 2010, 03:29 PM
    Quote from: Logical_Mind44 on December 08, 2010, 03:27 PM
    That's even worse. Cuz she thinks washing eggs down the drain is a heinous murder. Yet she'll stand and watch and do nothing to stop them.


    Nah.
    Its a intelligent and pragmatic approach.

    Beats those holier than thou fuckwits who think they can take away a woman's choice just because they do not like it. Many of them Men as well  Roll Eyes
    Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #367 - December 08, 2010, 03:29 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:28 PM
    Yes, a specific kind of ape like you and me.


    An asian like me.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #368 - December 08, 2010, 03:30 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:23 PM
    I've said before that I have no interest in definitions of life. I don't care that a fully developed human is any more 'alive' than a zygote or a rock.


    But the definition of human life is a fundamental part of this dilemma.  It is important to define it and establish when it begins and ends
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #369 - December 08, 2010, 03:33 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:22 PM
    It is more of a case of me recognising that the zygote is very likely to develop into another person who will have much more in common with me.


    Much more in common with your species, yes. You can eat other adult animals together and pretent that doing it with a knife and fork make you a superior being.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #370 - December 08, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:30 PM
    But the definition of human life is a fundamental part of this dilemma.  It is important to define it and establish when it begins and ends


    Why???
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #371 - December 08, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:29 PM
    An asian like me.


    Still part of the same species.

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:20 PM
    Yep. Like Sex. And you prepare for the consequences by using protection. And if that fails there are other steps you can take. Abortion, for instance.


    Which leads us to where we started.  There are always plenty of solutions to one problem although IMHO they are not always ethically right ones if we come to that.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #372 - December 08, 2010, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:30 PM
    But the definition of human life is a fundamental part of this dilemma.  It is important to define it and establish when it begins and ends


    So when does it begin and end?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #373 - December 08, 2010, 03:36 PM
    Quote from: Loki on December 08, 2010, 03:29 PM

    Beats those holier than thou fuckwits who think they can take away a woman's choice just because they do not like it. Many of them Men as well  Roll Eyes


    Most of them men, I would think.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #374 - December 08, 2010, 03:37 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:33 PM
    Much more in common with your species, yes. You can eat other adult animals together and pretent that doing it with a knife and fork make you a superior being.


    I don't do it because I think I'm a superior being at all.  I do it because they provide a good source of proteins and other essentials and because they are a tastier source than others.  The knife and fork are simply tools one uses to help eat that food.  Nothing to do with superiority at all.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #375 - December 08, 2010, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Still part of the same species.


    Chickens are part of the same phylum.

    Quote
    Which leads us to where we started.  There are always plenty of solutions to one problem although IMHO they are not always ethically right ones if we come to that.


    Why do you think this particular one is not ethically right.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #376 - December 08, 2010, 03:38 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:34 PM
    Why???


    Do I really have to explain that to you?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #377 - December 08, 2010, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:38 PM
    Do I really have to explain that to you?


    Yes.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #378 - December 08, 2010, 03:40 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:38 PM
    Chickens are part of the same phylum.


    That's too bad.  We are related to all living organisms in the end if we come to that.

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:38 PM

    Why do you think this particular one is not ethically right.


    I had explained why I don't think it is ethical previously.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #379 - December 08, 2010, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:36 PM
    So when does it begin and end?


    For me it begins with conception and ends with clinical death.  But those are my standards.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #380 - December 08, 2010, 03:43 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:40 PM
    That's too bad.  We are related to all living organisms in the end if we come to that.


    Bingo. So why draw the line at species?

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    I had explained why I don't think it is ethical previously.


    Yes because it's a diploid animal cell with 46 chromosomes...
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #381 - December 08, 2010, 03:44 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:36 PM
    So when does it begin and end?


    When Q-Man says so
    fuck you
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #382 - December 08, 2010, 03:45 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:40 PM
    Yes.


    Because we were discussing whether abortion is murder, and murder has to do with the taking of human life, so one has to see what human life is, when it starts and when it ends.. do you need more spoon feeding?  
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #383 - December 08, 2010, 03:49 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:43 PM
    For me it begins with conception and ends with clinical death.  But those are my standards.


    So you picked a couple of arbitrary stages of a species development.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #384 - December 08, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:43 PM
    Bingo. So why draw the line at species?


    Because after that line is crossed it becomes too implausible to identify myself with relate to the other animals.  They are too different  

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:43 PM

    Yes because it's a diploid animal cell with 46 chromosomes...


    Which means that you have not understood what I was trying to say.  Whether this is deliberate or something on my part I don't know.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #385 - December 08, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:45 PM
    murder has to do with the taking of human life


    Murder is an important concept because it causes suffering. Not because of an arbitrary definition of 'human' life. This is why I said I don't care for definitions of life. WTF does it matter? You can call it anything. The word isn't important. It doesnt change the fact that a zygote can't suffer. That's what really matters. A label isn't important enough for a woman to have to let something have such a massive effect on her life.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #386 - December 08, 2010, 03:53 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:51 PM
    Because after that line is crossed it becomes too implausible to identify myself with relate to the other animals.  They are too different  


    Relating to the idea of pain and suffering is implausible Huh?

    Quote
    Which means that you have not understood what I was trying to say.  Whether this is deliberate or something on my part I don't know.


    That's what it comes down to. It has the genetic make up of a human diploid cell. That's what decides whether killing it is ethical or not.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #387 - December 08, 2010, 03:55 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:49 PM
    So you picked a couple of arbitrary stages of a species development.


    Not at all, I simply picked the earliest stage in which the individual is a separate entity and the time its life ends after full development and maturation.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #388 - December 08, 2010, 03:56 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:45 PM
    Because we were discussing whether abortion is murder, and murder has to do with the taking of human life, so one has to see what human life is, when it starts and when it ends.. do you need more spoon feeding?  


    Would having sex with a pregnant woman be considered rape?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #389 - December 08, 2010, 03:56 PM
    A seperate entity? Meaning?
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