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  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #390 - December 08, 2010, 03:57 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:53 PM
    Relating to the idea of pain and suffering is implausible Huh?


    It is not a question of relating to pain and suffering, it is a question of relating to.  Are you telling me that you relate to a baboon the way you relate to your neighbour?

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:53 PM

    That's what it comes down to. It has the genetic make up of a human diploid cell. That's what decides whether killing it is ethical or not.


    Does it have the potential to develop into a human?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #391 - December 08, 2010, 03:58 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 03:56 PM
    Would having sex with a pregnant woman be considered rape?


    Depends on what she thinks.  It has nothing to do with the argument
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #392 - December 08, 2010, 03:59 PM
    Legal abortion on demand up to age 85!
    fuck you
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #393 - December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:55 PM
    Not at all, I simply picked the earliest stage in which the individual is a separate entity and the time its life ends after full development and maturation.


    It isnt a seperate entity in the womb. You might argue that it become self aware at some point in there, but certainly not at conception.

    A human reaches a peak of full development and begins to decay long before it grows old.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #394 - December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:57 PM
    It is not a question of relating to pain and suffering, it is a question of relating to.  Are you telling me that you relate to a baboon the way you relate to your neighbour?


    In certain ways, yes. Here you go with your arbitrary boundaries again.

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    Does it have the potential to develop into a human?


    A proton has the potential to develop into a human.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #395 - December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 03:56 PM
    A seperate entity? Meaning?


    a new organism
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #396 - December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 03:58 PM
    Depends on what she thinks.  It has nothing to do with the argument


    Neither does murder then.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #397 - December 08, 2010, 04:02 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    It isnt a seperate entity in the womb. You might argue that it become self aware at some point in there, but certainly not at conception.

    A human reaches a peak of full development and begins to decay long before it grows old.


    It is not part of the mother's body just because it depends on her either.  It is still a different individual.  Even as a zygote
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #398 - December 08, 2010, 04:04 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:02 PM
    It is not part of the mother's body just because it depends on her either.  It is still a different individual.  Even as a zygote


    Based on what?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #399 - December 08, 2010, 04:05 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM
    In certain ways, yes. Here you go with your arbitrary boundaries again.


    Such as?

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:00 PM

    A proton has the potential to develop into a human.


    A proton alone is not going to develop into a human, the way a zygote in the mother's body does.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #400 - December 08, 2010, 04:06 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 04:04 PM
    Based on what?


    For one, the fact that half its chromosomes do not belong to the mother.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #401 - December 08, 2010, 04:07 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:05 PM
    Such as?


    It can feel pain like my neighbour can. It eats sleeps drinks plays bla bla

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    A proton alone is not going to develop into a human, the way a zygote in the mother's body does.


    A zygote alone is not going to develop into a human.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #402 - December 08, 2010, 04:11 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:06 PM
    For one, the fact that half its chromosomes do not belong to the mother.


    The same amount of chromosomes in each and every sperm you ejaculate, or monthly bleed? Are they all half-lifeforms?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #403 - December 08, 2010, 04:12 PM
                       ANYWAYS!
    I lost my virginity in a motel to a guy who is really really really hot.  Kthnxbai.
    "A good man is so hard to find but a hard man is so good to find"
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #404 - December 08, 2010, 04:14 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:07 PM
    It can feel pain like my neighbour can. It eats sleeps drinks plays bla bla


    I didn't ask you what it can do and feel, I asked you how you can relate to it more than when you relate to your neighbour when he does those things too.

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:07 PM
    A zygote alone is not going to develop into a human.


    Yes it is.  It has the instructions.  All it needs is the right environment which is provided by the mother's body.  Comparing the proton which is not alive and which has no instructions do reorganise and develop into anything is silly.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #405 - December 08, 2010, 04:16 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 04:11 PM
    The same amount of chromosomes in each and every sperm you ejaculate, or monthly bleed? Are they all half-lifeforms?


    The half which got combined to the half of the gametes of the other partner.  Makes all the difference once they have formed the diploid number. There you have a new organism
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #406 - December 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:14 PM
    I didn't ask you what it can do and feel, I asked you how you can relate to it more than when you relate to your neighbour when he does those things too.


    No you didn't. You've just inserted the word 'more' now. Roll Eyes



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    Yes it is.


    No it's not.

    Quote
    It has the instructions.  All it needs is the right environment which is provided by the mother's body.  


    She is under no obligation to provide it.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #407 - December 08, 2010, 04:23 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:16 PM
    The half which got combined to the half of the gametes of the other partner.  Makes all the difference once they have formed the diploid number. There you have a new organism


    But you've already said you don't mind killing living organisms already far beyond this stage of development.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #408 - December 08, 2010, 04:26 PM
    Why care whether something is an organism or not?!!
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #409 - December 08, 2010, 04:27 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
    No you didn't. You've just inserted the word 'more' now. Roll Eyes


    I previously used 'the way', where that was implied.  I therefore clarified it for you

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
    No it's not.


    Again yes it is.  Nothing can realise its full potential if it is not under the right conditions if we come to that.  

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:20 PM
    She is under no obligation to provide it.


    Nature does not care about obligations.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #410 - December 08, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 04:23 PM
    But you've already said you don't mind killing living organisms already far beyond this stage of development.


    Was I referring to organisms of my species?
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #411 - December 08, 2010, 04:30 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:28 PM
    Was I referring to organisms of my species?


    Do your terms and conditions apply to other forms of life?
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #412 - December 08, 2010, 04:31 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:27 PM
    I previously used 'the way', where that was implied.  I therefore clarified it for you


    You can't see the obvious difference between 'the way' and 'more'?

    Quote
    Again yes it is.  Nothing can realise its full potential if it is not under the right conditions if we come to that.  


    Smiley

    Quote
    Nature does not care about obligations.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #413 - December 08, 2010, 04:34 PM
    Quote from: Ishina on December 08, 2010, 04:30 PM
    Do your terms and conditions apply to other forms of life?


    No
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #414 - December 08, 2010, 04:36 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:34 PM
    No


    Yes
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #415 - December 08, 2010, 04:37 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:31 PM
    You can't see the obvious difference between 'the way' and 'more'?



    'The way' simply leaves more room for interpretation.  I should have been more precise.

    Smiley

    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:31 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature


    Non sequester par exellance,  read your article.  I am not arguing that abortion is bad because it is unnatural.
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #416 - December 08, 2010, 04:40 PM
    Quote from: ras111 on December 08, 2010, 04:37 PM
    'The way' simply leaves more room for interpretation.  I should have been more precise.


    I can relate to different 'organisms' on different levels. It's not an all or nothing thing.

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    Non sequester par exellance,  read your article.  I am not arguing that abortion is bad because it is unnatural.

     

    I said a woman is under no obligation to provide an environment for a zygote to grow. Why did you bring up nature?
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #417 - December 08, 2010, 04:53 PM
    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:40 PM
    I can relate to different 'organisms' on different levels. It's not an all or nothing thing.


    But you will admit that you can relate one more than you can relate to the other


    Quote from: Prince Spinoza on December 08, 2010, 04:40 PM
    I said a woman is under no obligation to provide an environment for a zygote to grow. Why did you bring up nature?


    Because consequences and natural processes happen, regardless of whether one is obligated or not and because I think that a zygote should be allowed to realise its full potential if it doesn't endanger the mother's life.  Which is why I brought it up.

    This argument is pointless as we have different opinions on the zygotes
    "Modern man's great illusion has been to convince himself that of all that has gone before he represents the zenith of human accomplishment, but can't summon the mental powers to read anything more demanding than emoticons. Fascinating. "

    One very horny Turk I met on the net.
  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #418 - December 08, 2010, 04:56 PM
    ras11 as the blob of 4 cells still has no defined gender, you cant say that well it could be a woman and so both have the same rights... A woman should have control over her body, and have the ability to choose and control her reproduction...You, the pope, the imam can't tell a woman what she can or can't do with HER BODY!!!

     Most men that are against abortions, are so because deep inside they are aware that they do not have the power of reproduction, and since the situation is like that, they want at least to control this power by not giving women the freedom to decide what she wants to do.....  voaaalaaa , this is one of the reasons of Patriarchy....
    Quote from: FreeSoul007 on January 14, 2011, 05:00 AM
    Just look at the sun and the moon, rotating around the earth perfectly! Out of all the never ending space in the universe, the sun and moon ended up close to earth rotating around it perfectly.!!

  • Re: Who else is still a virgin?
     Reply #419 - December 08, 2010, 05:00 PM
    The freedom for a woman to choose in this context is one of the cornerstones of women's rights.
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
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