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  • Question: Which one (if any) are you more inclined to side with? (Give reasons)
  • Israel - 50 (30.5%)
  • Palestine - 114 (69.5%)
  • Total Voters: 163

 Topic: Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?

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  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #960 - October 30, 2015, 11:52 PM

    Jesus!!! suicide bombing is the same as firing missiles?


    In what way are "setting off an incendiary designed to indiscriminately kill people regardless of whether or not they are combatants or an immediate threat to you and cause damage to surrounding structures" and "setting off an incendiary designed to indiscriminately kill people regardless of whether or not they are combatants or an immediate threat to you and cause damage to surrounding structures FROM FAR AWAY" two completely different things that can't be compared?

    The concept of martyrdom is different in Islam from the other two. Full stop.



    O rly? How so?

    There are clear differences between these three. If you think that Islam being more violent than the other two is just an accident, you are sorry to say and apologise if you feel offended , very ignorant.


    I don't think Islam is more violent than the other two HISTORICALLY. And I don't think it's necessarily even more violent today, depending on your definitions--if you define all people who self-identify as Christians and commit acts of violence "Christian terrorists", then I don't think that you can claim the numbers are any worse for Islam than they are for Christianity. Jews make up a tiny fraction of the global population, especially compared to Christianity and Islam that both have over 1 billion adherents, and therefore, it would be legitimately shocking if they made up more of the violent crime population GLOBALLY than the other two Abrahamic faiths. But in terms of PER CAPITA--meaning the total number of Jews who have committed a violent crime as a percentage of the population of Jews instead of the population of the world compared to the total number of Christians or Muslims who have committed a violent crime as a percentage of the Muslim population as opposed to the population of the world--I don't think you'd see much of a difference, except perhaps in prosecution rates.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #961 - October 30, 2015, 11:56 PM

    Please do, 'The Wall Street Journal' is a credible source. I can also provide other credible sources of needed.

    "Ron Paul - Israel Created Hamas"

    "US Congressman Ron Paul - Israel created Hamas to destabilize Arafat who was very powerful at the time"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27esxkQtfTc


    Cheers, I'd be very interested in anything you have.

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #962 - October 30, 2015, 11:56 PM

    nbhb,
     I can sit here all day posting Jewish sources to make my points but people like you will criticize them as being "self-haters" and "anti-Semites" or play the Holocaust cards...


    There's no evidence for this. Anyways I'm done too.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #963 - October 31, 2015, 12:48 PM

    Neither side is innocent. Bickering between which side is less wrong distracts away from the fact both are still in the wrong in their acts. I do not think this is a situation in which one sides with the lesser. I choose neither and rather see reform from both.
  • Israel and Palestine
     Reply #964 - November 21, 2015, 12:13 AM

    I hope that this is okay to pst here. If not, Mods please move it to the appropriate forum.


    When I was Muslim, I used to believe that the conflict was strongly one-sided - Israel bullying Palestine, and the PLO and Hamas as good guys. I didn't think that Hamas were extremists linked to the Muslim Brotherhood, or that there were internal issues in Palestine where children ere being somewhat indoctrinated into hating Jews and Israelis. Nor did I realise that Islam was being forced on people there, to the point that an atheist had to seek asylum in France to avoid the death penalty.

    My question is... if Israel puts down its guns, would the Arab countries attack it? I've seen Jewish hatred preached on Arab tv clips, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's more to the picture than Muslims want to acknowledge.

    This isn't to deny the horrors done by the IDF to Palestinians.

    (Sensitive topic, so please keep this thread where appropriate.)
  • Israel and Palestine
     Reply #965 - November 21, 2015, 03:22 AM

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=15908.0

    http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/index.php?topic=29198.msg833069#msg833069

    `But I don't want to go among mad people,' Alice remarked.
     `Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad.  You're mad.'
     `How do you know I'm mad?' said Alice.
     `You must be,' said the Cat, `or you wouldn't have come here.'
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #966 - November 23, 2015, 09:46 AM

    I've seen Jewish hatred preached on Arab tv clips, and I'm beginning to wonder if there's more to the picture than Muslims want to acknowledge.



    I'm assuming that by this you mean hatred of Jews being preached on Arab TV clips, and not hatred by Jews. But either way, having been sat on both sides, I know there is hatred going both ways. I went to the same orthodox synagogue as a senator and former VP candidate (you can probably figure out who this is but I'm not going to name him--I mean, there's only one person who fits the bill, so it'll be easy to find) and the rabbi (who I have mentioned before, he is in jail now) was an ultra-zionist, and trust me, there was plenty of hatred of Arabs and Muslims. That's a big part of why I felt unwelcome there, my friendships with Arabs and Muslims made me feel like an outcast. People with brown skin who were Jewish felt unwelcome, let alone Arab Jews. If you've ever read anything by anyone who is black and Jewish (I highly recommend you do that, if you haven't), you'll see what I'm talking about in terms of the racism that the Orthodox Jewish community promulgates. And then imagine their complaints, but about a hundred times worse, and you'll begin to understand the plight of Arab Jews. Even some black Jews hate Arab Jews. And it's all because of the hatred and fear of Muslims that is epidemic in the Jewish community and in particular in the Orthodox Jewish community.

    Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I have a sonic screwdriver, a tricorder, and a Type 2 phaser.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #967 - December 14, 2015, 06:50 PM

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGAOZvqyEAw

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #968 - December 27, 2015, 02:32 PM

    Palestinian motorist rams Jerusalem pedestrians, shot dead says news

    Quote
    A Palestinian motorist rammed into a bus stop in Jerusalem on Monday, injuring at least 11 people before he was shot dead, Israeli police said, in the latest in a surge of street attacks.

    A campaign of stabbings, shootings and car-rammings by Palestinians has killed 19 Israelis and a U.S. citizen since the start of October. Israeli forces have killed at least 110 Palestinians, most of whom the army described as assailants.

    This latest attack took place near the western entrance to Jerusalem, leading to the main highway to Tel Aviv, and the injured included two people in a moderate condition and a baby, medics said.

    The attacker, identified as 21-year-old Abdel Muhsan Hasuna of East Jerusalem, was shot dead by a nearby security guard and a civilian who were both armed, a police spokeswoman said.


    well that is the news.. and here is the tube..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htL56outUPk


    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #969 - December 29, 2015, 10:32 PM

    Peace will cease to exist in that region until both countries put their religious ideologies aside and partake in a more humane approach to peace. Without this the cycle of hatred will continue forever!
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #970 - December 30, 2015, 02:21 PM

    Peace will cease to exist in that region until both countries put their religious ideologies aside and partake in a more humane approach to peace. Without this the cycle of hatred will continue forever!

    Hmm.. That is not enough..   whole planet need to put their religious ideologies aside ExANONmuslim..   on that note let me read  a bit of Ramzy on

    Quote
    Misreading the Intifada

    Israeli commentators, Yaron Friedman, of “Ynet News” and Haviv Rettig Gur, of the “Times of Israel” are clueless about the driving force behind the Palestinian mobilization and collective struggle. In two recent articles, and with unmistakable conceit, they attempted to highlight what they perceive as the failure of the current Palestinian uprising, or “Intifada.”

    Gur argues that “the terrorism” of the Palestinians is not a surge of opposition to Israel but a “howl against the pervasive sense that resistance has failed.” He reduces the Intifada to the mere act of alleged stabbing of Israelis and points out to the painful truth that the Palestinian Authority “elites” are paying lip service to the “martyrs,” while “simultaneously acting with determination on the ground to disrupt and stop attacks.”

    In his long-winded article, “Losing Palestine,” Gur essentially claims that the current struggle against Occupation stems mostly from Internet fervor and is more a deceleration of defeat than a strategy for victory, and that no Palestinian leader dares to be the first to accept this.

    Friedman, on the other hand, describes the “knife Intifada” as a “fire without coal;” that the “insane actions of the stabbers” is designed to ignite religious fervor, ultimately aimed at blaming the Jews.
    There is little sense in arguing against the unsympathetic approach Zionist commentators use to describe Palestinians or their insistence on seeing Palestinian collective action, violent or otherwise, as an act of “terror;” on their refusal to see any context behind Palestinian anger or on how they inject a religious narrative at every turn, and lob “anti-Semitic” accusations unfairly, whenever they see fit.
    But what is particularly interesting about the Israeli take on the Palestinian Intifada, as presented by Friedman, Gur and others in the media, including from within the Israeli political establishment, is the attempt to display an exaggerated sense of confidence, that unlike other uprisings, this one is a farce. In fact, the Israelis are certain that the uprising is likely to deflate once the limited tools at its disposal are contained. This supposition has led Israel’s Deputy Foreign Minister Tzipi Hotovely to meet with representatives of YouTube and Google “to discuss ways to cooperate in what she calls the fight against ‘inciting violence and terrorism’,” reported MEMO, citing Israeli daily, “Maariv.”

    This hasty self-assurance among Israeli state officials and media is predicated on several suppositions:
    First, while the PA has not yet moved to take part in crushing the Intifada, it has done its utmost to thwart the people’s effort at mobilizing Palestinians beyond the limited confines of the ruling Fatah faction and its worthless promises of peace and statehood.

    Quote
    The PA knows well that if the Intifada escalates beyond its current scale, it could undermine — if not entirely challenge — the PA itself, which has served for many years as a line of defense for the Israeli Occupation. Thanks to the “security coordination” between the Israeli army and the PA, Palestinian resistance in the West Bank has, until recently, been largely contained.


    Second, Hamas, although it has openly called for an escalation of protests against Israel, is swamped in its own problems. The siege on Gaza, tightened further with the closure of the Rafah border and the desperate need to rebuild what successive Israeli wars have destroyed, makes it difficult for Hamas to take part in any effort that could open up another war front with Israel.

    One must recall that the Israeli war on Gaza in the summer of 2014 was, itself, an Israeli attempt at redrawing the battle lines. At that time, a momentum for an Intifada was taking shape in the West Bank following an increase in Israeli army and settler violence against Palestinians. The war on Gaza managed to change the narrative of that budding conflict into an Israeli war aimed at defending its own borders, as Israeli hasbara dictated. Israel is now relying on the assumption that Hamas would avoid, at least for now, a repeat of that scenario which cost Palestinians over 2,200 lives and thousands of wounded and maimed, let alone the massive destruction of the already impoverished Strip.

    Third, Arabs are consumed with their own regional fights, whether for political or sectarian domination.

    Previous Intifadas succeeded, or so goes the Israeli logic, because of Arab backing. But the most that Arabs have done is to pay lip service and nothing more. In fact, if the PA itself is keen on spoiling popular Palestinian initiatives, little can be expected of the Arabs, who are busy fighting one another.
    Previous uprisings, but more importantly the 1987 “Intifada of the stones,” was not constructed as a strategy for liberation, but was a spontaneous reaction to a series of Israeli provocations and the failure of the Palestinian leadership, all positioned within the larger context of the ongoing Israeli occupation.

    Palestinians do not revolt when “the time is right” for them to do so, but whenever their collective sufferings have reached to the point that they cannot be silenced anymore. Those, whether Israeli or even Palestinian intellectuals, who opine about the need for the Intifada to do this or that, change directions or tactics, stop altogether or move forward, are simply unable to understand that the momentum of a collective struggle cannot be dictated from above.

    This is not to argue that a grassroots, genuine Palestinian leadership that operates outside the confines of fatalism and defeat as demonstrated by the PA is not a necessary step needed to galvanize the popular efforts. But that is a decision to be taken by the youth themselves, and its timing and nature should be determined based on their own reckoning.

    The Israelis are counting on their shoot-to-kill policy. The Palestinian leadership is waiting for the anger to fizzle out before resuming its endless quest for a frivolous peace process and financial handouts. The Intifada itself, however, operates on the basis of an entirely different arithmetic: A collective spirit that can neither be intimidated by violence nor procured by funds.

    In fact this is precisely why the Intifada started in the first place and, as long as the factors that led to its inception remain in place, it, too, is likely to continue and escalate, not for the sake of liberating Palestine through some magic formula, but for the urgent need to regain national initiative, redefine priorities and a new sense of collective, as Palestinian first and foremost.  

     well that is what he writes  on Palestine ..Hamas .. zionist ..jinns...and what not.. indeed Ramzy writes  long-winded article  with no sense of direction to solve the problems.   but this is interesting from him

    Quote
    The PA knows well that if the Intifada escalates beyond its current scale, it could undermine — if not entirely challenge — the PA itself, which has served for many years as a line of defense for the Israeli Occupation. Thanks to the “security coordination” between the Israeli army and the PA, Palestinian resistance in the West Bank has, until recently, been largely contained.

    so what do we need?? .. we can not solve the problem with Hamas as well as PLO sitting  on the leadership plate...  Ramzy answer me that question in the next article..

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #971 - December 30, 2015, 04:06 PM

    The Palestinian-Israeli singer challenging everyone's misconceptions
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=Jcw1dWj2y38&ebc=ANyPxKq2IVBhYBxzEJlPOi3bnR9stFhJV8CU9GQZfbRq7NrP25O6paCpbp7QCqmMgsmx8hq2FaUb
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=S6pAoBrOX8k&ebc=ANyPxKq0qO8uVa96HdUksXienkPg-cCU-_FWvvrbfftR7sVyrvsC1oK5kdzy6IYRAV18WFAoB84L
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #972 - January 01, 2016, 07:34 PM

    http://972mag.com/the-uncomfortable-context-of-israels-book-ban/115388/
    Quote
    Israel’s Education Ministry announced Wednesday that it would ban Israeli high schools from teaching a novel about a love affair between a Jewish woman and a Palestinian man.

    The decision was made despite the fact that the book, Dorit Rabinyan’s “Gader Haya,” was recommended for use in advanced literature classes by numerous bodies — including a professional committee of academics and educators — at the request of a number of teachers. Education Minister Naftali Bennett has backed the ban.

    By preventing Israeli teenagers from reading the book, the ministry is hoping to instill in them the notion that “intimate relations” between Jews and non-Jews threaten what it calls “a separate identity.” In doing so, the ministry charged with deciding the content of Israelis’ educational curriculum has gone beyond the scope of its responsibilities and is now actively trying to influence Jewish students’ romantic decisions.
    ....

    According to Haaretz this has boosted sales: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.694911
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #973 - January 02, 2016, 12:59 AM

    Caetano Veloso on BDS and performing in Israel: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/world/americas/caetano-veloso-loves-israel-but-wont-be-going-back.html
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #974 - January 08, 2016, 04:49 PM

    This is a very hard question. For humanity, israelis should stop the occupation and let those arabs live with freedom. And if im not mistaken( the arabs lost the battle in balfour war right?) correct me if im wrong. So the solution is the arabs should accepting the fact that they lost in the battle and for israelis should let palestinians like normal human. This is the only way I guess. Think about the children pls(muslims/jewishs kids). Spread love pls.
    Peace (by ur agnostic friend)

    Weirdo and introvert.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #975 - January 08, 2016, 04:52 PM

    ...
    1).And if im not mistaken( the arabs lost the battle in balfour war right?) correct me if im wrong.

    2). So the solution is the arabs should accepting the fact that they lost in the battle and for israelis should let palestinians like normal human. .....

    1). You are mistaken so we will correct miss_m
    2). Noooooooooooo.......... we got to fight until everything goes to allah...halla.....god...dog....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #976 - January 10, 2016, 09:25 AM

    Yes, poor Israel had no choice but to expand her illegal settlements, displacing tens of thousands. Islam made her do it!

    The Palestinians were generally quite secular before the rise of Hamas, I suppose that everything was peaceful before that? Is Islam making Israel subjugate other non-Jewish minorities? Anyway, that's for another thread.


    Okay AGWD what do you think Israel should do to get peace with Palestinians. Left likes to criticize Israel, which is very good but let's also see some proposals, some solutions.

    So, what Israel should do?

  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #977 - January 10, 2016, 09:33 AM

    Dismantling the settlements and ending the occupation of the West Bank would be a start. Despite that Abbas was co-operative with Israel until recently, Netenyahu refused to stop the expansion of these settlements and came out saying that there would be no Palestinian state so long as he was in power, quite the peacemaker.

    Can't really blame the left when the right attempts to absolve Israel from responsibility for her actions by simplifying the argument to "because Islam".

    Yes, both sides gave done wrong. They are not equally wrong, however, not even close.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #978 - January 10, 2016, 09:36 AM

    Yes, poor Israel had no choice but to expand her illegal settlements, displacing tens of thousands. Islam made her do it!

    The Palestinians were generally quite secular before the rise of Hamas, I suppose that everything was peaceful before that? Is Islam making Israel subjugate other non-Jewish minorities? Anyway, that's for another thread.


    Israel made Hamas? What other minorities are subjugated by Israel and why those minorities aren't killing Israeli civilians?
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #979 - January 10, 2016, 09:43 AM

    Palestinian Christians are living in the WB are also living under occupation. Moreover Israel has dozens of laws designed to discriminate against 20% of its population, when a democracy is supposed to treat all of its citizens equally, regardless of their ethnic, religious background etc.

    Where did I say that? I said that before Hamas and the increased religious conservatism, Palestinians were still being displaced and in fact this is when the worst massacres happened. Can't blame Islam for that.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #980 - January 10, 2016, 10:21 AM

    Dismantling the settlements and ending the occupation of the West Bank would be a start. Despite that Abbas was co-operative with Israel until recently, Netenyahu refused to stop the expansion of these settlements and came out saying that there would be no Palestinian state so long as he was in power, quite the peacemaker.



    Your start is not a solution for peace. Anyways, let's start with your start. How do you solve the request of Palestinians for the right of return and Hamas and Hezbollah purpose to wipe out Israel of the map?

    Can't really blame the left when the right attempts to absolve Israel from responsibility for her actions by simplifying the argument to "because Islam".

    In the same time you can't blame the right when the left is saying that Islam is not a factor or is not a very important one.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #981 - January 10, 2016, 10:44 AM

    Palestinian Christians are living in the WB are also living under occupation. Moreover Israel has dozens of laws designed to discriminate against 20% of its population, when a democracy is supposed to treat all of its citizens equally, regardless of their ethnic, religious background etc.

    Where did I say that? I said that before Hamas and the increased religious conservatism, Palestinians were still being displaced and in fact this is when the worst massacres happened. Can't blame Islam for that.


    Yet, with all the discrimination I don't see Palestinian Christians or the Palestinian Atheists killing civilians. I can give you hundreds of massacres(many of them on Jews) in history, many of them quite recently made, but in the end you have to get over it and make peace. Not to say that Christians are treated much better in Israel than Muslims.
    Druze are quite happy in Israel, but hey, they don't kill innocent civilians?

    Do you think Israel will treat Palestinians differently if Palestinians will not appeal to Islamic techniques to kill innocent civilians?   
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #982 - January 10, 2016, 10:53 AM

    Your post displays a very limited understanding of the region as well as the conflict. How much influence does Hamas have in the West Bank? Since when did Hezbollah operate in Palestine? If groups like Hezbollah want to wipe Israel off the map (and we have not seen a genuine attempt from them so far, hence this is likely no more than muscle flexing) then that's not a Palestinian problem. With this in mind, how is my start not a solution for peace? I suppose that the continuity of the racist apartheid is better? Such a tactic has never worked in the long run with any country, that is why Israel is under increasing scrutiny.

    I absolutely can blame the right. Without Islam the Palestinians would not suddenly become meek and stop resisting the occupation of their lands and the systematic oppression which they face daily. No people would accept such a situation, regardless of their religion. There would be a difference without Islam but not a significantly big one.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #983 - January 10, 2016, 10:58 AM

    Yet, with all the discrimination I don't see Palestinian Christians or the Palestinian Atheists killing civilians. I can give you hundreds of massacres(many of them on Jews) in history, many of them quite recently made, but in the end you have to get over it and make peace. Not to say that Christians are treated much better in Israel than Muslims.
    Druze are quite happy in Israel, but hey, they don't kill innocent civilians?

    Do you think Israel will treat Palestinians differently if Palestinians will not appeal to Islamic techniques to kill innocent civilians?   


    You don't see it? Do you even follow the Palestine/Israel conflict closely or do you take the opinions of other commentators to form a judgment?

    Palestinian Christians were active members of the PLO. This group has recently changed its policies but was quite similar to Hamas before that. And from which source did you form the opinion that Druze are "quite happy"?

    As I pointed out earlier before Hamas the Palestians were facing the same treatment and they still do in areas that are under Hamas control, hence not under Islamic rule. So no, I do not believe so.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #984 - January 10, 2016, 11:01 AM

    ........... Israel has dozens of laws designed to discriminate against 20% of its population, when a democracy is supposed to treat all of its citizens equally, regardless of their ethnic, religious background etc...............

    AGWD.... doubting girl..., that is an extremely important point  that we  need to highlight  and educate  the readers and those who support Israel.

    Quote
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

    Racism in Israel refers to all forms and manifestations of racism experienced in Israel, irrespective of the colour or creed of the perpetrator and victim, or their citizenship, residency, or visitor status.

    More specifically in the Israeli context, however, racism in Israel refers to racism directed against Israeli Arabs by Israeli Jews,[1] intra-Jewish racism between the various Jewish ethnic divisions (in particular against Ethiopian Jews,[2] and to historic and alleged current racism towards Mizrahi Jews and other Jews of colour), and racism on the part of Israeli Arabs against Israeli Jews.

    Racism against Arabs in Israel exist in institutional policies, personal attitudes, the media, education, immigration rights, housing,[3] social life and legal policies. Some elements within the Ashkenazi Israeli Jewish population have also been described as holding discriminatory attitudes towards fellow Jews of other backgrounds, including against Ethiopian Jews, Indian Jews, Mizrahi Jews, Sephardi Jews, etc. Although intermarriage between Ashkenazim and Sephardim/Mizrahim is increasingly common in Israel, and social integration is constantly improving, disparities continue to persist. Ethiopian Jews in particular have faced discrimination from non-Black Jews. It has been suggested that the situation of the Ethiopian Jews as 'becoming white' is similar to that of some European immigrants like Poles and Italians who arrived in the United States in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries


    let me put   links that highlights the problem

    Quote


    Some are dangerous,  Some of them are real ., some are flimsy...and some are stupid complains

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #985 - January 10, 2016, 11:06 AM

    ..................

    Palestinian Christians were active members of the PLO. .................

    ..

    yes that is true., Did any one become Chairman of PLO to solve the problem? You are right., they are  there., they were there but  WITHOUT HAVING ANY REAL POWER with in PLO..and most them were lefties without brain and without pants  dear AGWD....

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #986 - January 10, 2016, 11:17 AM

    Your post displays a very limited understanding of the region as well as the conflict. How much influence does Hamas have in the West Bank? Since when did Hezbollah operate in Palestine? If groups like Hezbollah want to wipe Israel off the map (and we have not seen a genuine attempt from them so far, hence this is likely no more than muscle flexing) then that's not a Palestinian problem. With this in mind, how is my start not a solution for peace? I suppose that the continuity of the racist apartheid is better? Such a tactic has never worked in the long run with any country, that is why Israel is under increasing scrutiny.

    I absolutely can blame the right. Without Islam the Palestinians would not suddenly become meek and stop resisting the occupation of their lands and the systematic oppression which they face daily. No people would accept such a situation, regardless of their religion. There would be a difference without Islam but not a significantly big one.


    In the end it appears you don't have any solution as you avoid answering the question what Israeli should do to get peace. You avoid this, because you know damn well that anything but giving all country will not be accepted by Palestinians. And yet accusing others having a very limited understanding of the region as well as the conflict.

    Without Islam do you think there will be attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians? Why would Israel need fences? Why would they treat the Palestinians different than the Druze? Typically left, crying about, but not offering any solution, blaming only Right and downplaying Islam as much as possible.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #987 - January 10, 2016, 11:28 AM

    How did I avoid it when I already mentioned a starting point that would work much better than the current tactic? In case you haven't noticed, it is Israel who is illegally seizing Palestinian lands and displacing people by the day so it would look as though Israelis are the ones who would not be satisfied until they have all of the land. Palestinian leaders in the occupied territories have tried attending "peace talks" to come to a compromise but that did not stop their people from being displaced. In the end the only solution would probably be international pressure on both sides, more so on the occupier. This worked for South Africa. And yes, you do show limited understanding when you associated certain groups with regions where they have limited influence or none at all.

    As I mentioned earlier before Hamas was the PLO, which did not consist of Muslims only yet employed the same tactics. Are the attacks on Palestinian civilians due to Judaism? Things are not so simple that they boil down to extreme religious beliefs.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #988 - January 10, 2016, 11:29 AM

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    yes that is true., Did any one become Chairman of PLO to solve the problem? You are right., they are  there., they were there but  WITHOUT HAVING ANY REAL POWER with in PLO..and most them were lefties without brain and without pants  dear AGWD....


    Thanks for the links Yeezevee, there is so much more to this conflict than what some try to suggest.
  • Pro Israel or Pro Palestine?
     Reply #989 - January 10, 2016, 11:30 AM

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    Without Islam do you think there will be attacks on Israeli civilians by Palestinians? ...............

    'Oh without that I would have solved the problem in two months..may be in two days...  but nbhb . can you read this  http://www.ifamericansknew.org/download/origin_booklet.pdf

    and give me your constructive criticism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r1EmEni2Rw....

    bu the way I can solve that Israel-palestine WITH ISLAM ALSO   but burning some shit from so-called god's words.. allah words..

    https://theintercept.com/2016/01/08/jean-wyllys-israel-pinkwashing/



    That is funny news today  from that land of PROFITS ...lol...  Brazilian might have made a mistake... but who knows he may be  right

    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim
     
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