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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #240 - January 01, 2011, 11:57 PM
    Hamza Yusuf knows how to mesmerise his audience and peotically find allegories linking Islamic dogma to modern day life.  Why can't he try to see what solid evidence there is for all the dogmas in Islam?


    Quote from: solroger on January 01, 2011, 04:51 AM
    I just read this quote by Bertrand Russell that I feel describes Hamza Yusuf:

    The immense majority of intellectually eminent men disbelieve in Christian religion, but they conceal the fact in public, because they are afraid of losing their incomes.

    I wouldn't go as far as say that Hamza Yusuf consciously deceives his audience.  He is more self-deluding, I think.  Plus, as Eliphaz said, he has emotionally committed himself to Islam and is not willing to let go no matter what.
    "Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so." -- Bertrand Russell

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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #241 - January 02, 2011, 01:26 AM
    Quote
    Zaynab wanted to be wed to the Prophet, peace be upon him, and had only accepted the marriage to Zaid due to the Prophet's request of her to do so. So the Prophet, peace be upon him, had kept the matter quiet for fear that if people knew, it would detract from and undermine his essential spiritual message to the people. However, the Qur'an "leaked" this private conversation to the people through the very source of the conversation. Aishah said about the above verse, "Had the Prophet hidden anything from his revelation, it would have been this verse due to the heavy impact it had upon him." This "leak" was clearly designed to reveal the utter sincerity of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his complete and total truthfulness and transparency about his own personal life as well as everything revealed to him.

    This reeks of beardo eroticism for Mo. Roll Eyes
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #242 - January 02, 2011, 04:04 AM
    Quote from: IsLame on December 31, 2010, 01:12 PM
    Any ordinary proof will do


    I beg to differ, sir. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof.

    And you have to admit, an all powerful deity who needs little humans to kiss his big intergalactic butt at all times to keep him from have the mother-of-all-Baby-Huey-temper-tantrums is a rather extra-ordinary claim. Tongue

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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #243 - January 02, 2011, 04:06 AM
    Quote from: solroger on January 01, 2011, 04:51 AM
    I just read this quote by Bertrand Russell that I feel describes Hamza Yusuf:

    The immense majority of intellectually eminent men disbelieve in Christian religion, but they conceal the fact in public, because they are afraid of losing their incomes.


    "Elmer Gantry" - Google it Smiley
    (Book is FAR better than the movie)


    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #244 - January 02, 2011, 01:52 PM
    Quote from: Juan Karl on January 02, 2011, 04:04 AM
    I beg to differ, sir. Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary proof.

    And you have to admit, an all powerful deity who needs little humans to kiss his big intergalactic butt at all times to keep him from have the mother-of-all-Baby-Huey-temper-tantrums is a rather extra-ordinary claim. Tongue



    Smiley  I agree, but I would still be happy with some ordinary proof- thats all I am asking for & am yet to hear anything.  Simply saying the Quran is the book of God because Muhammed said so does not cut the mustard with me.
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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #245 - January 02, 2011, 04:04 PM
    Quote from: IsLame on January 02, 2011, 01:52 PM
    Smiley  I agree, but I would still be happy with some ordinary proof- thats all I am asking for & am yet to hear anything.  Simply saying the Quran is the book of God because Muhammed said so does not cut the mustard with me.


    At this point, just some logical consistency feels like too much to ask for from religion, in general.

    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #246 - January 15, 2011, 03:09 AM
    I don't know what it is about Hamza Yusuf. But as soon as I hear him speak I tend to gain faith in this religion again. I don't know what is going on. For example, I have tried to stay away from listening to any of his talks but today I came across his farewell semester ending talk:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6NfJi0BDgg&feature=player_embedded

    And after listening to it, I started questioning my sanity to leave this religion.
    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #247 - January 15, 2011, 03:36 AM
    Quote from: solroger on January 15, 2011, 03:09 AM
    I don't know what it is about Hamza Yusuf. But as soon as I hear him speak I tend to gain faith in this religion again. I don't know what is going on. For example, I have tried to stay away from listening to any of his talks but today I came across his farewell semester ending talk:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6NfJi0BDgg&feature=player_embedded

    And after listening to it, I started questioning my sanity to leave this religion.

    solroger, he doesn't care whether gain faith in  his religion or not but what he wants is  your  donations to run his university., didn't you watch the video?? please watch it after 16 minutes.. he wants donors and ultimately Allah is the provider., Sahaba didn't even had TIES TO TIE CAMELS... ALLAH GAVE EVERYTHING after   prophet moved  to madina and eliminated all juice over there., I hope  Hamza Yusuf is not going act the way  Prophet PBUH acted in Madina on juice for running his university..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #248 - January 15, 2011, 03:47 AM
    Quote from: solroger on January 15, 2011, 03:09 AM
    I don't know what it is about Hamza Yusuf. But as soon as I hear him speak I tend to gain faith in this religion again. I don't know what is going on.

    Sounds like somebody's got a mancrush on Hamza Yusuf.  Roll Eyes
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #249 - January 15, 2011, 03:55 AM
    Quote
    Sounds like somebody's got a mancrush on Hamza Yusuf.  Roll Eyes


    It could be. I surely hope not. Though I have been following him before his 9/11 conversion where he then started to wear nice suits and clothes and those sixties glasses WOW!!
    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #250 - January 15, 2011, 09:53 AM
    Maybe your atavistic certainties about faith, which you have become estranged from, find echoes in his rhetoric and his own certainty, and a part of you feels emotionally bonded to those certainties?

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #251 - January 15, 2011, 10:11 AM
    Quote from: ateapotist on January 01, 2011, 11:57 PM
    Hamza Yusuf knows how to mesmerise his audience and peotically find allegories linking Islamic dogma to modern day life.  Why can't he try to see what solid evidence there is for all the dogmas in Islam?


    “You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief isn't based on evidence, it's based on a deep seated need to believe.”
    ~ Carl Sagan
    Too fucking busy, and vice versa.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #252 - January 15, 2011, 10:27 AM
    The language of the mob was only the language of public opinion cleansed of hypocrisy and restraint - Hannah Arendt.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #253 - January 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Hamza Yusuf takes a swipe at Dawkins again:

    In a new audio Hamza Yusuf says "Dawkins would melt if he saw Imam Ghazali. He would just shrivel up".

    You can listen to it here at around the 5 min mark:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsQDQUMeHWM
    I did wudu before entering this website.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #254 - January 21, 2011, 09:11 PM
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    In a new audio Hamza Yusuf says "Dawkins would melt if he saw Imam Ghazali. He would just shrivel up".


    That's a classic.

    The delusion, the fear, the hubris, the bitterness, the useless pride, the hot air - its all there.

    What a brilliant line.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #255 - January 21, 2011, 09:53 PM
    Quote from: solroger on January 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Hamza Yusuf takes a swipe at Dawkins again:

    In a new audio Hamza Yusuf says "Dawkins would melt if he saw Imam Ghazali. He would just shrivel up".

    I agree, he would shrivel up .... from cringing
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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #256 - January 22, 2011, 01:33 AM
    Quote from: solroger on January 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Hamza Yusuf takes a swipe at Dawkins again:

    In a new audio Hamza Yusuf says "Dawkins would melt if he saw Imam Ghazali. He would just shrivel up".

    You can listen to it here at around the 5 min mark:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsQDQUMeHWM


    Wow ! What got up his butt ?

    Sounds like some took a pic of a diva before he was ready. Would he like some whine with that cheese ?

    El bien mas preciado / es la libertad
    hay que defenderla / con fe y valor.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #257 - February 06, 2011, 05:37 PM
    Quote from: solroger on January 21, 2011, 09:05 PM
    Hamza Yusuf takes a swipe at Dawkins again:

    In a new audio Hamza Yusuf says "Dawkins would melt if he saw Imam Ghazali. He would just shrivel up".

    You can listen to it here at around the 5 min mark:
     


    Hamza Yusuf - Prophet Muhammad marriage to Aisha

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM4IuDVFL3s

    Huh!.. The man   Hamza Yusuf very smart guy.. he knows everything..
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #258 - March 25, 2011, 03:54 AM
    Quote from: Hassan on April 19, 2009, 01:04 PM
    Although I knew a lot of these guys I was never one of them and I always felt uncomfortable about the way they loved to dazzle their audience with their eloquence and knowledge and yet say very little in reality - and worst of all for me fail to answer the real issues and questions that were troubling me. They would mention the issues but cleverly avoid them or give a confusing answer that gave the illusion they had answered it - but they hadn't.


    Yup Hassan. I have noticed this too. Muslims talk alot. And I mean ALOT. And its about really really boring, meaningless, irrelevant, insignificant, redundant, personal shit also.

    You see Muslims talking excessively. Its especially observable amongst the dawah shitheads and those who post on youtube and forums. They talk uneccessarily about themselves and are such a drag.

    I'm wondering "why are you telling me all this?".

    It's like, religion is an outlet for them. Like some scene, or a social clique thing. Nothing about spirituality.

    No manliness, no proper conduct, no seriousness, no substance. They take God(or whatever) into their hands and use "Him"(or Her or It) for the sake of their own self extravagance and indulgence.

    It's really funny because I think even Hindus would find that to be idolatry.

    In Hindusm, spirituality is an extremely personal thing, and eveyone keeps what they know to themselves. Hindus don't tell the whole world about it. Its secret, confidential, unspoken and sacred. It's not something to be announced loudly on stage nor shared with strangers or family and friends.

    The only exception are the exceedingly obnoxious and silly ISCKONITES/"Hare Krishnas". And its because they are non-Indian Hindus, mainly Westerners who were ex-Christians so they carry on with their filthy Abrahamic mentality and behaviour. And also since they were non Indians that were (uncomfortably) enthusiastic their spiritual master was easy and liberal on them. And now its totally run by outsiders.
    Fake friends flatter you. Their compliments are made up. Nasty enemies criticize you harshly. They pick on you unnecessarily. Neither of them help you improve yourself. The best critic is honest and knows you exactly and the best person you can choose to follow is someone closest to you.
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #259 - November 01, 2012, 12:29 PM

    Oh boy, this thread is a beaut. Bumping for the nostalgia and so the newbies can consider.

    This is purified fear of the believing Muslim Hamza Yusuf.
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #260 - November 01, 2012, 02:09 PM
    can anyone provide the reference where it says in islamic sources that mohammed is an example for all time and all places?
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #261 - November 01, 2012, 02:26 PM
    Quote from: monstart on November 01, 2012, 02:09 PM
    can anyone provide the reference where it says in islamic sources that mohammed is an example for all time and all places?

    The closest thing I could find to that was this:
    'There is indeed a good example for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah profusely.' (Quran 33:21)

    Also, in his last sermon he said: 'I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.'
    'Let us step out into the night and pursue that flighty temptress, adventure.'

    Join the chat!
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #262 - November 01, 2012, 02:47 PM

    Its just the status of him, the status in which he is held as the perfect man, whose sunnah is incumbent on every Muslim, isn't it? Its like part of the oxygen that all Muslims must breathe.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #263 - November 01, 2012, 03:34 PM
    Quote from: Serendipity on November 01, 2012, 02:26 PM
    The closest thing I could find to that was this:
    'There is indeed a good example for you in the Messenger of Allah - for the one who has hope in Allah and the Last Day, and remembers Allah profusely.' (Quran 33:21)

    Also, in his last sermon he said: 'I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.'


    thanks serendipidy

    i ask because if it was not actually written in islamic scripture then some apologists could wriggle there way out of the Aisha age issue by saying he is not to be followed completely
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #264 - November 01, 2012, 09:11 PM
    Quote from: ned on April 18, 2009, 03:57 PM
    Part 4:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f9yxs-4n70



    Just watched this 4th video. It would make a great drinking game.  Take a shot every time he says "literally" and you will be hammered in 10 minutes lol.

    Wow I can't believe how full of shit he is. I went to see him at a lecture once years ago and he rubbed me the wrong way then too. Back then even I felt he was an extremist with a whitewashed exterior.
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  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #265 - November 02, 2012, 12:32 AM
    Quote from: Pepe on November 01, 2012, 09:11 PM
    ................. how full of shit he is......

    These are self Obsessed FOOLS., self obsession is a perfect characteristic of  cult leaders..


    DON'T LISTEN TO HAMZA YUSUF -

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaBefKBqUtg


    there you go.. now we can start war within Islam....
    Do not let silence become your legacy.. Question everything   
    I renounced my faith to become a kafir, 
    the beloved betrayed me and turned in to  a Muslim     
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #266 - November 02, 2012, 12:36 AM

    Secularism is what makes us modern. Its what gives us our rights. Its what created a space for the individual to not be overwhelmed by the authority of the collective. It is entwined with equality for women, liberation of gays, free speech and free conscience, liberalism, rationalism, scientific inquiry, and so on.

    And Hamza Yusuf thinks it is the biggest enemy facing Islam today.

    And then guys like him complain about how Islam is viewed as reactionary.

    He is setting his entire religion against the underpinning of modernity, without any sense of awareness at all.

    And this guy is feted as a 'moderate'.

    If he still believes this, it kind of redefines what moderate means doesn't it.

    Sometimes, I really just do think, 'Islam is fucked'

    This video makes me feel like that.

    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #267 - November 02, 2012, 12:42 AM
    Hamza Yusuf was on AJE's The Stream not too long ago. It was like he was a different person.
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #268 - November 02, 2012, 12:43 AM

    Has he changed his views, or is he just wearing a different mask for a different audience?
    "we can smell traitors and country haters"


    Quote from: arX on May 01, 2011, 03:33 AM
    God is Love.
    Love is Blind. Stevie Wonder is blind. Therefore, Stevie Wonder is God.

  • Re: Hamza Yusuf: Secularism, the Greatest Danger Facing Islam
     Reply #269 - November 02, 2012, 12:48 AM
    http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/preaching-against-poverty-0022353
    "Life is not a matter of holding good cards, but of playing a poor hand well."
    - Robert Louis Stevenson
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