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  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #450 - April 19, 2008, 07:09 PM
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    Since when do you, me, or anyone have the right to decide, who is worthy of having babies, or of having a life? They did that stuff in Nazi-Germany, and well-meaning Scandinavia, and some states in the US. It´s called "Eugenics". NO.


    So a crackhead who keeps giving birth to drug addicted babies that the state has to look after, is "worthy" of having kid after kid after kid?

    If not sterilisation why do they not put a coil in her after the 6th baby?

    I'm not saying only whites deserve to live a la nazi germany, just that there should be a limit of some sort on crakheads and junkies being able to have baby after baby that the state has to care for, that cost much more in medical care, it's just so heartbreaking how many kids that no one wants are a result of some junkie who cared more about a fix than her kids.

    Which leads me onto why don't they make adoption easier for people who are willing to care for these babies?

    Why do white couples insist on a white baby only, whats wrong with having a black baby?  or a mixed race baby, isn't a baby a baby, and if your childless isn't any baby ok?

    (excuse my ramblings 001_tongue)
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #451 - April 19, 2008, 07:19 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 05:12 PM


    Is she also on welfare by any chance? The consequences I had in mind had to do more with the necessity to earn a living, and punishing lawless behavior. Not all crack-heads would stop having babies if their law-breaking is punished and they are forced to earn a living, of course. But they would have fewer babies.


    Yes she is on welfare, but if welfare didn't exist for her wouldn't she just go and sell her body or steal for her drugs?

    I agree though, welfare is far too easy in the country.
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #452 - April 19, 2008, 07:21 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:09 PM
    Quote
    Since when do you, me, or anyone have the right to decide, who is worthy of having babies, or of having a life? They did that stuff in Nazi-Germany, and well-meaning Scandinavia, and some states in the US. It´s called "Eugenics". NO.


    So a crackhead who keeps giving birth to drug addicted babies that the state has to look after, is "worthy" of having kid after kid after kid?

    If not sterilisation why do they not put a coil in her after the 6th baby?

    I'm not saying only whites deserve to live a la nazi germany, just that there should be a limit of some sort on crakheads and junkies being able to have baby after baby that the state has to care for, that cost much more in medical care, it's just so heartbreaking how many kids that no one wants are a result of some junkie who cared more about a fix than her kids.

    Which leads me onto why don't they make adoption easier for people who are willing to care for these babies?

    Why do white couples insist on a white baby only, whats wrong with having a black baby?  or a mixed race baby, isn't a baby a baby, and if your childless isn't any baby ok?

    (excuse my ramblings 001_tongue)

    I repeat - do I, you, the state or whoever have the right to cut her tubes? "Insert a coil"? Yeah, why waste money on no-count losers? On comatose elderly? Why give my hard-earned tax-euros to those who don´t give anything back? The PRINCIPLE is the same, whether it´s about jews (or alcoholics, "habitual criminals", roma) in Nazi Germany, or crack-addicts anywhere else.
    Adoption is hard in the interest of kids... there is NO problem to find adoptive parents for ANY kind of baby - leastways, not in Germany, and not if the baby is healthy - there are about 50 couples for every child that gets put up for adoption. Trouble is, that there aren´t enough babies to go round, and nobody wants the older ones, the handicapped ones... all want a cuddly, healthy newborn.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #453 - April 19, 2008, 07:25 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:21 PM

    I repeat - do I, you, the state or whoever have the right to cut her tubes? "Insert a coil"? Yeah, why waste money on no-count losers? On comatose elderly? Why give my hard-earned tax-euros to those who don´t give anything back? The PRINCIPLE is the same, whether it´s about jews (or alcoholics, "habitual criminals", roma) in Nazi Germany, or crack-addicts anywhere else.
    Adoption is hard in the interest of kids... there is NO problem to find adoptive parents for ANY kind of baby - leastways, not in Germany, and not if the baby is healthy - there are about 50 couples for every child that gets put up for adoption. Trouble is, that there aren´t enough babies to go round, and nobody wants the older ones, the handicapped ones... all want a cuddly, healthy newborn.


    Oh god, why can't you argue for once without making out I am implying anything other than what I said?

    Because I say I think crackheads shouldn't be able to drop baby after baby like it means nothing, does NOT mean the comatose, the elderly blah blah came into MY ramblings at all.

    Just for once it would be nice to discuss my thoughts without nazi germany being tossed in, and slippery slope extras thrown ontop.

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #454 - April 19, 2008, 07:28 PM
    Berbs, this is not slippery slope - it´s about PRINCIPLE. What right does the state have to cut anyone´s reproductive organs? Tell me? How do you propose "setting a limit" to the number of children anyone has? Sterilization? Force-feed them birth-control pills? Force-kill the baby in utero? Kill the unwanted brat once she popped it? What?

    You ARE talking about eugenics - which HAVE been done, not only in Nazi-Germany, but much, much longer in sweden, norway, denmark, the US... and to this day, in China.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #455 - April 19, 2008, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:19 PM

    Yes she is on welfare, but if welfare didn't exist for her wouldn't she just go and sell her body or steal for her drugs?

    I agree though, welfare is far too easy in the country.


    Then she would be committing criminal acts, and, she could face the consequences of her actions. Welfare allows her to live in stupor, consequence-free.

    (An additional problem are our weak, over-lenient justice systems.)
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #456 - April 19, 2008, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:28 PM
    Berbs, this is not slippery slope - it´s about PRINCIPLE. What right does the state have to cut anyone´s reproductive organs? Tell me? How do you propose "setting a limit" to the number of children anyone has? Sterilization? Force-feed them birth-control pills? Force-kill the baby in utero? Kill the unwanted brat once she popped it? What?


    I don't know,  finmad I'm just frustrated at the world.  Flaming mad

    Over react

    Arghhhhhhhhh

    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #457 - April 19, 2008, 07:30 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:29 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:19 PM

    Yes she is on welfare, but if welfare didn't exist for her wouldn't she just go and sell her body or steal for her drugs?

    I agree though, welfare is far too easy in the country.


    Then she would be committing criminal acts, and, she could face the consequences of her actions. Welfare allows her to live in stupor, consequence-free.

    (An additional problem are our weak, over-lenient justice systems.)

    Prostitution isn´t illegal in Europe, Sorge
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #458 - April 19, 2008, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:25 PM

    Just for once it would be nice to discuss my thoughts without nazi germany being tossed in...



    Hey, welcome to my life.  Cheesy
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #459 - April 19, 2008, 07:32 PM
    You know as a muslim the answer to the all the social ills of the world were through Islam (yes I know it's a myth, but it was an answer), but now I have no idea what will fix the worlds ills, and I am frustrated at not knowing.  wacko
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #460 - April 19, 2008, 07:33 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:30 PM

    Prostitution isn´t illegal in Europe, Sorge


    To Europe's shame. It isn't prosecuted or condemned strongly enough in America. To America's shame.
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #461 - April 19, 2008, 07:33 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:31 PM


    Hey, welcome to my life.  Cheesy


    Hitlermin

    001_tongue
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #462 - April 19, 2008, 07:34 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:32 PM
    You no as a muslim the answer to the all the social ills of the world were through Islam (yes I know it's a myth, but it was an answer), but now I have no idea what will fix the worlds ills, and I am frustrated at not knowing.  wacko

    NOTHING will "fix" the world. Doesn´t mean, we shouldn´t strive to make it better, any way we can... but accepting, that we´ll never create paradise. Every single time we try, we end up in a worse mess...

    The church got THAT right, with it´s teaching on original sin and the garden of Eden...
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #463 - April 19, 2008, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:31 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:25 PM

    Just for once it would be nice to discuss my thoughts without nazi germany being tossed in...



    Hey, welcome to my life.  Cheesy

    Tell ME! Gets thrown in my face about ten times a day... Roll Eyes
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #464 - April 19, 2008, 07:35 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:33 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:30 PM

    Prostitution isn´t illegal in Europe, Sorge


    To Europe's shame. It isn't prosecuted or condemned strongly enough in America. To America's shame.

    Oh, they pay social security now, and get pensions, so that´s all right! Afro
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #465 - April 19, 2008, 07:36 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:34 PM

    NOTHING will "fix" the world. Doesn´t mean, we shouldn´t strive to make it better, any way we can... but accepting, that we´ll never create paradise. Every single time we try, we end up in a worse mess...

    The church got THAT right, with it´s teaching on original sin and the garden of Eden...


    Ok, I don't get that, how did the garden of eden, original sin, and trying to make the world a paradise get connected? :-\
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #466 - April 19, 2008, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:35 PM

    Oh, they pay social security now, and get pensions, so that´s all right! Afro


    You are joking, right?  wacko
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #467 - April 19, 2008, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:36 PM

    Ok, I don't get that, how did the garden of eden, original sin, and trying to make the world a paradise get connected? :-\


    That's much of the right/left divide, actually. If not most of it.

    The "Left", generally speaking, believes that our life on earth can be perfected. The right, generally speaking, believes that human nature and constraints being what there are, a half-decent society is about the best we can hope for.
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #468 - April 19, 2008, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:36 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:34 PM

    NOTHING will "fix" the world. Doesn´t mean, we shouldn´t strive to make it better, any way we can... but accepting, that we´ll never create paradise. Every single time we try, we end up in a worse mess...

    The church got THAT right, with it´s teaching on original sin and the garden of Eden...


    Ok, I don't get that, how did the garden of eden, original sin, and trying to make the world a paradise get connected? :-\

    Original sin in nuce means, we see human nature as "fallen", i.e. we are not perfect, not capable, of our own, to live perfectly, be completely good. We accept that, trusting in God´s grace to help us get better, since we cannot MAKE ourselves better. Doesn´t mean, we don´t keep trying.
    In other words - we know, this world, which is largely made by us, can NEVER be a paradise (and that gets told in the story of how Adam and Eve get thrown out of paradise, with an angel guarding the gate. There´s no way back, once you eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil... you KNOW, thus you are not an innocent animal - we are capable to DO BAD, and pay the price).
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #469 - April 19, 2008, 07:41 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:40 PM


    That's much of the right/left divide, actually. If not most of it.

    The "Left", generally speaking, believes that our life on earth can be perfected. The right, generally speaking, believes that human nature and constraints being what there are, a half-decent society is about the best we can hope for.


    Haha so I am a leftist based on that, with semi right leanings.

    Left >>>>>>>>>   GoodVsBad <<<<<<<<<< Right


    Angelic
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #470 - April 19, 2008, 07:42 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:40 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 07:36 PM

    Ok, I don't get that, how did the garden of eden, original sin, and trying to make the world a paradise get connected? :-\


    That's much of the right/left divide, actually. If not most of it.

    The "Left", generally speaking, believes that our life on earth can be perfected. The right, generally speaking, believes that human nature and constraints being what there are, a half-decent society is about the best we can hope for.

    Evil tongues would put it slightly different, Sorge - they would say, the right just thinks the world IS fine as it is, and as long as they swim on top of it!  Tongue
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #471 - April 19, 2008, 07:43 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:40 PM

    Original sin in nuce means, we see human nature as "fallen", i.e. we are not perfect, not capable, of our own, to live perfectly, be completely good. We accept that, trusting in God´s grace to help us get better, since we cannot MAKE ourselves better. Doesn´t mean, we don´t keep trying.
    In other words - we know, this world, which is largely made by us, can NEVER be a paradise (and that gets told in the story of how Adam and Eve get thrown out of paradise, with an angel guarding the gate. There´s no way back, once you eat of the fruit of the tree of good and evil... you KNOW, thus you are not an innocent animal - we are capable to DO BAD, and pay the price).


    Right, ok I understand.  Smiley
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #472 - April 19, 2008, 07:45 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:42 PM

    Evil tongues would put it slightly different, Sorge - they would say, the right just thinks the world IS fine as it is, and as long as they swim on top of it!  Tongue


    Yes, and what you point out you are an immigrant, a student paying your way through college, they point out that you:

    a) Either believe you'll be on top eventually.

    b) Or are deluded, angry, psychologically unsound, etc.

    Yes, I know the drill.

    Some people believe poor people cling to guns and religion out of economic frustration, can you imagine that?  Roll Eyes
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #473 - April 19, 2008, 07:53 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:37 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:35 PM

    Oh, they pay social security now, and get pensions, so that´s all right! Afro


    You are joking, right?  wacko


    Nope.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #474 - April 19, 2008, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:53 PM

    Nope.


    So, prostitution is okay because prostitutes pay into social security and receive pensions?

    Huh.
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #475 - April 19, 2008, 07:58 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 07:56 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:53 PM

    Nope.


    So, prostitution is okay because prostitutes pay into social security and receive pensions?

    Huh.

    I didn´t say that. I said, it is legal, and considered okay, so they get to pay into social security and pension-systems.
    What I think is a different matter, sweetums. Do I have to remind you of my religious affiliation?  whistling2
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #476 - April 19, 2008, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:58 PM

    I didn´t say that. I said, it is legal, and considered okay, so they get to pay into social security and pension-systems.
    What I think is a different matter, sweetums. Do I have to remind you of my religious affiliation?  whistling2


    Apparently, yes.  Cheesy
    "What shall it profit an intellectual [to] acknowledge a simple truth and lose his Weltanschauung?"

    Seeing is not Believing, by Theodore Dalrymple
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #477 - April 19, 2008, 08:10 PM
    Quote from: RuyDiaz on April 19, 2008, 08:07 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 07:58 PM

    I didn´t say that. I said, it is legal, and considered okay, so they get to pay into social security and pension-systems.
    What I think is a different matter, sweetums. Do I have to remind you of my religious affiliation?  whistling2


    Apparently, yes.  Cheesy


    here´s a hint: Nun
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #478 - April 19, 2008, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 08:10 PM

    here´s a hint: Nun


    Here is a bigger hint, two of them.

     Jew



     Cheesy
    Inhale the good shit, exhale the bullshit.
  • Re: Berbs Blog, much madness within
     Reply #479 - April 19, 2008, 08:12 PM
    Quote from: BerberElla on April 19, 2008, 08:11 PM
    Quote from: diotima on April 19, 2008, 08:10 PM

    here´s a hint: Nun


    Here is a bigger hint, two of them.

     Jew

    (Clicky for piccy!)

     Cheesy


    Pssst!!! The elders are watching!! (not that there are any elders, of course)
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